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 Post subject: Re: Quinnspiracy
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:09 am 
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From what I've gathered, Gamergate is based around stopping journalists from attacking their audiences, which started with the whole "gamers are dead" articles that kotaku and polygon started putting out. They also don't condone harassment and mentioning Quinn or Sarkesian is a no no. They just want fair and unbiased journalism.

That is all I agree with. And a developer blacklisting people based off of their beliefs shouldn't be allowed.


That's the excuse that MRA assholes use to dress up their blatant misogyny. It started with attacks on Quinn and spread from there. If you want ethical journalism, bully for you. Don't associate yourself with Gamergate, because that has nothing to do with what you want.

This is nothing more than children/man-shaped children expressing their deep-seated psychological issues in the most virulent manner possible. This is the reason why I can't enjoy Firefly or Chuck like I used to, because apparently Adam Baldwin is a piece of shit on the inside. This is why I can finally look at Phil Fish with something other than disdain, because he spoke against the abuse and got torn to shreds in every arena possible. This is why we, as gamers, can't have nice things, because the collective gaming sphere still hasn't figured out how to grow the fuck up.


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A number of commentators have argued that the #GamerGate movement had the potential to raise important issues in gaming journalism, but that the wave of misogynistic harassment and abuse associated with the hashtag had poisoned the well, making it impossible to separate honest criticism from sexist trolling. Quinn said the campaign had "roped well-meaning people who cared about ethics and transparency into a preexisting hate mob." Vox Media writer Todd VanDerWerff highlighted an essay written by game developer David Hill which explained that he believed #GamerGate made good points, but targeted the wrong people. Hill wrote that gaming journalists hated the nepotism and how the industry, particluarly AAA publishers, treats video game journalism as marketing rather than critics. Hill wrote, "We want to approach these works of art as works of art, and not just as the next success or flop. But that can't happen on any large scale, because of that corruption, because of the commercialism of it all." He further added that the #GamerGate movement should not have focused on independent developers like Quinn, particularly attacking her sex life, and Fish to try to enact a change in games journalism, describing them as "frankly powerless in the games industry", but rather the movement should have targeted advertising by AAA companies.

That's the stuff I stand by. And as what I quoted said, GG has been abused to the point that it's the same as calling someone a SJW. But the heart of the movement is what I stand by.

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"Poisoning the well" implies that the source was once pure. That's not the case at all. You can't salvage something useful and worthwhile out of something so inherently wrong. Trying to make a legitimate crusade to fix gaming journalism out of Gamergate can never work; the asshats that started it as another front for spewing their bile and hate will always infect it by dint of its origin, and that will be the case from the outside, as well. Reviewers, developers, the non-industry media, and the general public will see the word "Gamergate" and think "hateful children", and rightly so (in terms of Gamergate, not necessarily the individual).

Again, holding reviewers to an ethical standard is a noble, worthy cause. That cause should not be branded with Gamergate, because that was NEVER what that movement was about. If you need a brand for upholding journalistic integrity, how 'bout "the right thing"?

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#therightthing?

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As in, "it's the right thing to do". Pretty much holds true for every circumstance.

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Someone suggested #gameethics


I think they got abused for it, which says more than I ever can about #gamergate

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I think they got abused for it, which says more than I ever can about #gamergate


Game ethics sounds good.

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Somebody edited the Kotaku wiki page from a US Congressional IP address. Which is borderline terrifying if you ask me.

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I can't see any evidence that it was either tampered with, or that the IP is from congress...

Could be me being retarded, but that's just a guy on Twatter saying something...

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There's a Twitter account (might be a bot) that cross references Wikipedia edits with a list of congressional IPs. I could have posted a link to the actual Wikipedia edit but Arthur's (reviews editor at Polygon) screenshot exemplifies the edit better.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:29 am 
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I saw the edit, but no evidence it was a Congress IP. Just his words.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CongressEdits

https://twitter.com/congressedits/statu ... 9030566912

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Thats pretty fucking shady of Congredd, but what a way to keep a government in check. :-D

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