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Ok, so this is something that has been making waves around 4Chan, Reddit and other places.

Apparently there is this girl named Zoe Quinn who is basically fucking dudes from various media outlets (such as Kotaku) in order to promote her game about depression. Apparently beefs started because this girl is a "leader" for women game developers and somehow she has way more integrity than anyone else when it comes to game development..

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Quinnspiracy (also known as #GamerGate -- the term coined by actor Adam Baldwin) refers to the online controversy surrounding indie game developer Zoe Quinn’s alleged affair with a number of video game journalists, including a staff writer at the Gawker-affiliated video game news site Kotaku, supposedly in exchange for publicity for her and her 2014 text-based indie game Depression Quest. In August 2014, the scandal came into public’s light when Eron Gjoni, her now-former boyfriend, chronicled the details of her affairs in an expose blog post, which prompted online discussions regarding the validity of Gjoni’s claim and ethics in video game journalism at large. Due to the scandal’s online amplification in reaction to perceived media suppression, the event has been cited as an example of the “Streisand Effect”.


Watch this, but my favorite part comes at 17 minutes in when this guy absolutely shits all over Phil Fish because somehow he is involved too.


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I read this earlier, and it made my ears hurt.

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God, there is so much wrong with this whole business that I barely know where to start.

First of all, this particular controversy was sparked by a pissed off ex-boyfriend posting a lot of shit-talking and innuendo (which he's retracted, by and large, saying that he never intended to give people the idea that Quinn was actually trading sex for positive reviews). Secondly, there's no evidence that this positive coverage for which she supposedly whored herself actually exists. Finally, I'm fucking embarrassed to be remotely involved in the gaming industry, even just as a consumer and enthusiast, when children on the internet (either in mind or body) launch a goddamn witch hunt into someone's personal affairs when that person is not just developing a game meant to raise awareness about depression, but made the game free after we lost a great man to that same sickness (a man that those same children mourned so publicly, no less).

I simply cannot process the intellectual equations to which these people are subjecting themselves to arrive at these decisions. "Oh, Zoe Quinn wants to show depressed people that there's a good way to handle their illness, as well as helping other people to understand depression better? Fucking whore, you're not even a real feminist." "What? Robin Williams committed suicide because he was severely depressed, and Zoe Quinn is making her game a free resource for everyone to utilize? It's like she's TRYING to show everyone how much of a worthless SJW slut she really is. It's SOOO pathetic." I'm fully convinced that /v/ and 4chan in general has evolved into something other than human, because a normal person would have choked to death on the sheer amount of bullshit a 4chan user consumes and spews out of his orifices.

It's hateful, misogynistic bile. Nothing more.

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god
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I already have 'quinn' and 'zoe' and 'quinnspiracy' filtered on /v/

how do I filter it on phpbb

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God, there is so much wrong with this whole business that I barely know where to start.

First of all, this particular controversy was sparked by a pissed off ex-boyfriend posting a lot of shit-talking and innuendo (which he's retracted, by and large, saying that he never intended to give people the idea that Quinn was actually trading sex for positive reviews). Secondly, there's no evidence that this positive coverage for which she supposedly whored herself actually exists. Finally, I'm fucking embarrassed to be remotely involved in the gaming industry, even just as a consumer and enthusiast, when children on the internet (either in mind or body) launch a goddamn witch hunt into someone's personal affairs when that person is not just developing a game meant to raise awareness about depression, but made the game free after we lost a great man to that same sickness (a man that those same children mourned so publicly, no less).

I simply cannot process the intellectual equations to which these people are subjecting themselves to arrive at these decisions. "Oh, Zoe Quinn wants to show depressed people that there's a good way to handle their illness, as well as helping other people to understand depression better? Fucking whore, you're not even a real feminist." "What? Robin Williams committed suicide because he was severely depressed, and Zoe Quinn is making her game a free resource for everyone to utilize? It's like she's TRYING to show everyone how much of a worthless SJW slut she really is. It's SOOO pathetic." I'm fully convinced that /v/ and 4chan in general has evolved into something other than human, because a normal person would have choked to death on the sheer amount of bullshit a 4chan user consumes and spews out of his orifices.

It's hateful, misogynistic bile. Nothing more.

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This is it, this is exactly it. You've absolutely hammered the nail on the head. I can't even see the nail anymore.


I won't address the Zoe Quinn stuff as if you want my views, read Smokey's post.

What I want to add is a bit about the resulting quest for "integrity" in the gaming press as games are some higher art form deserving of better coverage. This seems to be the thing that these hateful C U Next Tuesdays (word filter avoidance, not self-censorship.) are hiding behind, and that's fair, if you enjoy something you want it to be covered and examined correctly.

But somehow this had led them to hounding a woman out of her home through death and rape threats and the obtaining of personal information. THIS blog post covers the background stuff better than I can, so I'll just quote it:
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Anita Sarkeesian is the creator of webseries like Feminist Frequency and the excellent Tropes Vs. Women In Video Games, which critically examine the games industry's treatment of women in its products. As a result, she has suffered literal years of online abuse like denial-of-service attacks, rape threats, Web vandalism, and attempts at “doxing” or distributing personal information online, not to mention unceasing abuse in the form of tweets, emails, and internet comments. Some astonishingly awful creatures even made a video game consisting of nothing but punching Sarkeesian’s face into oblivion. What crime has Sarkeesian committed to deserve this treatment? Merely speaking up about the fact that, y’know, women aren’t portrayed all that well in video games.


So basically, these people want a better world of video game coverage, so when they see somebody providing a very basic form of criticism that exists in every other form of media coverage (literature, films, etc) they turn into absolute animals and try to ruin somebody's life, crying that the SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS are trying to censor THEIR games. Fuck these people, seriously, just fuck them. It's just an extension of what Smokey's said, but on an incredibly worrying scale.

Also, fuck Jontron.

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I already have 'quinn' and 'zoe' and 'quinnspiracy' filtered on /v/

how do I filter it on phpbb

What do you want it filtering to?

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Blokeymon wrote:
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I already have 'quinn' and 'zoe' and 'quinnspiracy' filtered on /v/

how do I filter it on phpbb

What do you want it filtering to?


Filtered as in hidden and gone on my end

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You could impose bans for mentioning it... ;-)

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You could impose bans for mentioning it... ;-)

Like someone would get banned for saying Zoe Quinn. Pssshhh.

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Here's the thing.

I am not out to white knight anybody nor am I here to condemn the chick. Because quite frankly, I don't give a FUCK about her personal life and whoever she may be fucking. BUT, what I do have a problem with is how there seems to be a tremendous amount of accusations on her part which indicate that she is bringing down other developers and that she even faked her own hack attempts on her twitter and tumblr accounts.

I also have a problem with the dudes that are involved who do not seem to be receiving any of the hate that is directed at Zoe. After all, other people are involved as well yet the general public are so fixated on the girl who are either A) Playing her as the victim or 2) Engaging in a massive witch hunt so that she can be burned all over the internet.

It is really silly and petty; but I will have to side on someone like JonTron who does not really give a shit about the whole ordeal. What did he say honestly? That there was really nothing to make a big deal about since he has met her before and worked together. It was during that failed attempt of a reality TV show that starring indie developers and Youtube personalities. He doesn't seem to take too kindly on the unnecessary censorship of it all.

I mean hell, maybe if she actually knew how to design a game then no drama would have happened. I never played it myself, but I seen footage through various Let's Plays on Youtube and it looked absolutely fucking boring. I will give it a go just to see the fuss about it, but it just seemed like more pretentious fuckery on "artsy" games. Even Phil "Fuckface" Fish had a well designed game that looked and sounded fun through video that I saw. I eventually bought it on the merit of what I saw as a fun game.

TLDR: People are making a big fucking deal out of nothing. Let people fuck who they want and develop what they want and try to have integrity in writing and there will be no problems.

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TLDR: People are making a big fucking deal out of nothing. Let people fuck who they want and develop what they want and try to have integrity in writing and there will be no problems.


This. Though I've heard she attacked TB for... trying to take a neutral route. Same with Phil Fishdicks.

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Here's the thing.

I am not out to white knight anybody nor am I here to condemn the chick. Because quite frankly, I don't give a FUCK about her personal life and whoever she may be fucking. BUT, what I do have a problem with is how there seems to be a tremendous amount of accusations on her part which indicate that she is bringing down other developers and that she even faked her own hack attempts on her twitter and tumblr accounts.

I also have a problem with the dudes that are involved who do not seem to be receiving any of the hate that is directed at Zoe. After all, other people are involved as well yet the general public are so fixated on the girl who are either A) Playing her as the victim or 2) Engaging in a massive witch hunt so that she can be burned all over the internet.

It is really silly and petty; but I will have to side on someone like JonTron who does not really give a shit about the whole ordeal. What did he say honestly? That there was really nothing to make a big deal about since he has met her before and worked together. It was during that failed attempt of a reality TV show that starring indie developers and Youtube personalities. He doesn't seem to take too kindly on the unnecessary censorship of it all.

I mean hell, maybe if she actually knew how to design a game then no drama would have happened. I never played it myself, but I seen footage through various Let's Plays on Youtube and it looked absolutely fucking boring. I will give it a go just to see the fuss about it, but it just seemed like more pretentious fuckery on "artsy" games. Even Phil "Fuckface" Fish had a well designed game that looked and sounded fun through video that I saw. I eventually bought it on the merit of what I saw as a fun game.

TLDR: People are making a big fucking deal out of nothing. Let people fuck who they want and develop what they want and try to have integrity in writing and there will be no problems.


I also have a problem with all the accusations against her, specifically because they're largely slander and libel. Again, /v/ is making it their personal mission to ruin this women BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN. That whole Fine Young Capitalists thing? They're pissed because she went and made her own thing that resembled what they were doing, and in turn they partnered with /v/ to create "an average female gamer" that's specifically designed to spite women in general and feminists in particular, and TFYC, from all appearances, have no idea. Basically, they're as clueless as 4chan is awful.

Look up the game. Anyone critiquing the game on entertainment value is missing the entire point of the whole thing. It's not meant to entertain, but to educate. Here is a direct quote from the website.

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Depression Quest is an interactive fiction game where you play as someone living with depression. You are given a series of everyday life events and have to attempt to manage your illness, relationships, job, and possible treatment. This game aims to show other sufferers of depression that they are not alone in their feelings, and to illustrate to people who may not understand the illness the depths of what it can do to people.

Since the goal is to spread awareness, there is no minumum amount you need to pay to play the game. However, if you do choose to pay the developers for their efforts, a portion of the proceeds will be donated to National Suicide Prevention Hotline.


The bolded part is my own emphasis. Depression is not entertaining, so obviously, a game meant to show people its effects should not be treated like the average game.

The whole point of this debacle isn't the idea that Quinn might have slept with people for positive coverage, or that game developers are getting unwarranted amounts of shit for their games. Those are only symptoms of the disease, which is the rampant misogyny inherent in modern gaming culture, particularly in the online realm. Quinn was getting abuse and death threats long before this ex-boyfriend went on his blogging spree, and she's far from the only female figure in the gaming industry to suffer from this. Jennifer Hepler got the same thing not because she wanted more of her admittedly weird Twilight-Lite content to influence her work in Bioware, but because she said she wasn't a fan of combat in gaming. Anita Sarkeesian has dealt with this sort of abuse for years and years simply because she highlights instances of anti-women content and attitudes in games; for fuck's sake, people developed a game where the sole action is to beat the shit out of Sarkeesian's face. It's sickening.

People like Phil Fish don't deserve to have their personal info distributed to every Tom, Dick, and Harry, but they DO invite abuse by behaving like pricks in their online personas. People like Quinn are getting the same sort of abuse because they're highlighting legitimate problems either in our culture (like bias against women) or in general society (like the criminal level of ignorance surrounding depression). This has to stop, both for the betterment of the gaming industry and our fucking species.

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I'm not gonna get into this too much, hopefully, but I do think there is a bit of willful blindness, if not dishonesty, in saying that people like Sarkeesian and Quinn are coming under fire just for being women.

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